MP Germant Gruwal's letter and speech on Bill C20


Dear _________and ________:

Thank you for writing to express your concerns about the prevalence of child pornography and other forms of child exploitation in Canada. I share your concern that our children continue to be at risk from sexual exploitation as a result of lenient laws and continued government inaction.

My Canadian Alliance colleagues and I have consistently advocated for stronger laws to protect our children. Since the Liberal government's election in 1993, they have continually failed to take effective steps toward strengthening our ability to shield those who require this protection in our society.

I would like to take this opportunity to set out the Canadian Alliance position and to familiarize you with our most recent efforts to prohibit all forms of child exploitation.

When the B.C. Supreme Court first struck down Canada's child pornography laws as unconstitutional in the case of John Robin Sharpe in 1999, the Canadian Alliance called for the use of section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the "notwithstanding clause". Invoking the "notwithstanding clause" would have enabled law enforcement officials to continue investigating and prosecuting child pornography cases instead of suspending them pending an appeal. However, the former Justice Minister Anne McLellan refused to take this step as she was confident that the courts would make a just ruling. This error allowed child pornography to proliferate in Canada for two years until the Canadian Supreme Court substantially upheld the law in its January 2001 ruling.

In March 2002, the B.C. court acquitted John Robin Sharpe on two child pornography charges on the basis that his material had "artistic merit". Canadian Alliance called on the federal government to immediately eliminate this legal loophole.

In the last two years, the Canadian Alliance introduced two Parliamentary motions urging the federal government to implement a national sex offender registry. The first motion in March 2001 was passed, but no steps were taken by the former Solicitor General Lawrence MacAulay to actually put the registry into operation. The Liberal Government rejected our second motion by voting against it in February 2002.

Our second motion in April 2002 urged the federal Liberal government to raise the age of consent from 14 to 16. Again, this motion federal Liberal Government voted against our motion because they believed that the change was "too complex" and there were "cultural considerations".

In just this year (2003) alone, Canadian Alliance MPs tabled in the House over 44,000 signatures from concerned Canadians asking the federal government to strengthen our child pornography laws. Individual Alliance members have also introduced numerous bills and motions to address these important issues concerning the protection of our children, but all were defeated or obstructed by the Liberal Government.

After years of efforts by Canadian Alliance MPs to raise the age of consent for adult-child sexual activity, eliminate the artistic merit defence, to strengthen laws against child pornography, and to institute a national sex offender registry, the Liberal Government only took the first basic step towards addressing these concerns in December 2002. However, these steps fall far short of what is needed to protect children.

On December 10, 2002, Justice Minister Martin Cauchon tabled a long-awaited bill, C-20, that is intended to address issues related to the sexual exploitation of children and other victims of sex crimes. Unfortunately, the bill is complex, with cumbersome provisions that will not make it easier to prosecute sexual predators.

Rather than removing the defence of "artistic merit" for child pornographers, the new Liberal legislation has simply repackaged the old law. The defence provided for pornography has been renamed as the "public good" defence. However, the court is still entitled to consider "artistic merit" as a part of its determination of whether a child pornographer should be acquitted.

The new legislation fails to raise the age of sexual consent between children and adults. The age of consent in Canada will remain at 14 years of age even though most western democratic nations have legislated a 16-year age minimum. Some have even adopted an 18-year age minimum. The Liberal proposal is to bring in a law that requires the court to analyze each case to see if the adult is exploiting the child. This approach is cumbersome, and fails to create the certainty of protection that children require.

In order to create the impression that this law will be tough on child exploitation, the bill also proposes an increase in the maximum sentences available. Canadian courts have consistently failed to proportionately increase sentences when the maximum allowable sentences are raised. Child pornographers will still be entitled to "house arrest" as an alternative to prison and without minimum sentences, pedophiles like John Robin Sharpe will continue to escape prison sentences even when they are convicted.

On February 3rd, I addressed many of these issues during the speech I delivered on Bill C-20 during the second reading debate in the House. A copy is appended for your reference.

On December 11th, 2002, federal Solicitor General Wayne Easter introduced legislation (Bill C-23) in response to repeated calls by our party for a national sex offender registry. Regrettably the legislation is so weak and ineffective that it will give our law enforcement virtually no additional tools to protect children and other victims of sex crimes.

The federal Solicitor General indicated that he would not include currently convicted sex offenders on the registry because he is concerned about their privacy right. Only those convicted in the future will be included. It is the Canadian Alliance position that without a comprehensive list of all convicted offenders, past and present, the registry will be virtually worthless. Pedophiles and other sex offenders, who have a notoriously high rate of re-offending, can only be added to the registry if they offend and are caught in the future - and even then, offenders will not automatically be added to the registry. Furthermore, none of this information will be available for members of the public who, in certain cases, need to know when there is a sex offender in their midst.

The Liberal Government has consistently put the rights of criminals ahead of the rights of law-abiding citizens. Once again, the Liberals have failed Canadian children by refusing to table effective legislation that will extend the necessary legal protections to victims of crime, in particular our most vulnerable citizens - our children.

You are assured that your concerns have been noted and that my colleagues and I as the Official Opposition will continue to support strengthening the current laws against child pornography and all forms of child exploitation.

Once again, thank you for writing.

Yours sincerely,

Gurmant Grewal, M.P.


Gurmant Grewal, M.P.
Speech, Bill C-20, Second Reading

An Act to amend the Criminal Code
(protection of children and other vulnerable persons)
& the Canada Evidence Act
February 3, 2003

Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, I rise again on behalf of the constituents of Surrey Central to participate in the debate on Bill C-20. I would like to thank the hon. member for Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca for sharing his time with me.

The bill we are debating is an act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act. So far Bill C-20 has introduced very weak and timid steps toward this issue.

A person would be found guilty of a child pornography offence when the material or act in question does not serve the public good or where the risk of harm outweighs any public benefit.

Some of the other changes are proposed to protect people aged 14 to 18. Of course they would focus not on consent, but on whether the relationship is exploitative based on age difference, control exerted, and other circumstances.

Another step is that it would increase penalties for offences that harm children. The maximum penalty for sexual exploitation would double from 5 years to 10 years.

Bill C-20 would make it a crime to secretly observe or visually record a person where privacy is reasonably expected. Distributing a recording on the World Wide Web or elsewhere would also be a crime. Such an offence would carry a maximum jail term of five years.

We know too well that courts never impose maximum penalties, nor do they have the will to do that. Life never means life and 25 years has meant only 7 or 10 years in jail, just as if there is a scale or route under the maximum penalty sentence. For it to be effective there should be a well defined legislated minimum sentence. That would be a deterrent and not a motivation to commit such a heinous crime.

Last March a British Columbia judge cleared John Robin Sharpe of possession charges, concluding that his graphic child sex stories had artistic merit and were protected by freedom of speech. Canadians want their government to close the loophole left when the Supreme Court of Canada ruled two years ago that there were some exceptions to the child pornography law. Child pornography and artistic merit do not mix. The argument that pornography can be excused because it has artistic merit has angered a lot of Canadian parents. The weak Liberal Government of Canada continues to have one of the most liberal pornography laws in the world.

Last summer, a Pollara poll found that 86% of Canadians disagree with the artistic merit defence. They have been calling for the removal of the provision for the artistic merit defence from the child pornography law. We do not permit artistic merit to be a defence when it comes to hate literature. If we do not accept artistic merit in hate literature, why should we accept artistic merit in the child pornography law, which is meant to protect our innocent children, our future?

A major shortcoming of the bill is that it fails to raise the age of consent from 14 years to at least 16, if not 18, for sexual activity between children and adults. I fail to see the rationale for permitting adults to engage in any sexual activity with children.

Canada has a long history of prohibiting sexual intercourse with young females, regardless of consent. I am not trying to be politically incorrect here, but I am quoting: From 1892 to 1988, sexual intercourse outside of marriage with females under 14 and for those under 16 and "of previously chaste character" was illegal. The maximum penalty upon conviction for sexual intercourse with a female under 14 was life imprisonment. The maximum penalty for sexual intercourse with a female under 16 was five years' imprisonment.

Amendments to the Criminal Code in 1988 repealed unlawful intercourse and seduction offences and in their place created new offences called sexual interference and invitation to sexual touching, which now prohibit adults from engaging in virtually any kind of sexual contact with either boys or girls under the age of 14, irrespective of consent.

There is no question that sexual exploitation is real and a serious risk for children and youth in Canada. Reports indicate that increasing numbers of youths are being sexually exploited and that Canada is listed on the Internet as a source for sex with children and youth. It is shameful.

Having the age of consent set at 14 makes it easy for predators to recruit young people into the sex trade without facing repercussions or without initially committing any offence. Once these youths are entrenched in the relationship, they are then convinced or coerced into engaging in illegal activities.

Recruiters consciously choose to form consensual relationships with youths who are over the age of consent but are as young as possible in order to make it easy to gain a hold on them. Raising the age of consent would assist in the prosecution of adults who buy sex from young people because the adult could be charged with sexual assault, and it would not be necessary to prove that there was negotiation for money or other considerations.

Raising the age of consent would be more consistent with other western industrialized countries. It would discourage sex tourism. Having an older age would send a message internationally that children in Canada are not available for sex.

In B.C.'s lower mainland, we are all too familiar with the problem of prostitution. A study there found that 70% to 80% of Canadian prostitutes enter the trade as children. There are literally hundreds of prostitutes under 17 years of age currently working Vancouver's streets. The recruitment process for the sex trade in Canada preys on young girls and boys and specifically targets those who are at the current age of consent.

According to the Children of the Street Society, the majority of parents who call asking for help have children who are 14 years old and who are being recruited into the sex trade. The society's argument is that if the police had the ability to pick up the girl or boy, regardless of their consent, and return them to their family or take them to a safe house, then many youth could be saved from entering the sex trade.

If we were to think about a 50 year old man being able to target 14 year old runaways for sex and giving them AIDS or other diseases or even getting them pregnant, we might get a different response. The results of dozens of studies show the effect of adult sexual contact with children. They are at a 21% higher risk of clinical depression. They have a 21% greater chance of suicide. There is a 20% increase in post-traumatic stress disorder. There is a 14% jump in extreme promiscuity and involvement in prostitution.

It is a serious risk and a serious challenge and we must take serious action. We suggest that the bill is a timid first step for Canadian children. After months of the Canadian Alliance demanding elimination of the artistic merit defence, the Liberals finally have recognized the danger but have not taken any serious steps.

Children must be protected from abuse at the hands of all adult predators. The age of consent for adult-child sex must be raised from 14 to 16, in addition to having the new categories for exploitative relationships. As well, higher maximum sentences for child pornography and predation will not be effective unless the courts enforce them. I would also like to mention that police and prosecutors still do not have the tools to deal with child pornography cases effectively and efficiently.

Darrel Stinson (Okanagan-Shuswap, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, I listened to the hon. member's speech with great interest. A major part of his speech was with regard to raising the age of consent from 14 to 16. I strongly agree. What has happened here in Canada is that we are known worldwide as a shopping network for children, basically, those aged 14 and 15, because people around the world prey upon children of this age and know they cannot be charged here in Canada with a sexual crime.

A ring was broken in Toronto a little while ago. I also heard about a case in Vancouver. Maybe the hon. member could address this. The men in these cases were picked up. One was a 52 year old man who was with a 14 year old child in a hotel room, yet that person could not be charged. He happened to be an American, but these people come from all over the world.

I know that Australia now has a force which goes into the Asian countries where this happens too. The force is now photographing and reporting any Australian citizen who goes into these countries for this activity.

Could the hon. member address that? Does he think that would be a good idea here in Canada?

Gurmant Grewal: Mr. Speaker, it would be a very good idea. I thank the hon. member for raising this issue.

It is vitally important that we do not confuse the physical maturation of children with the psychological maturation of children. Why is it that as a society we feel that children are ill-prepared to drive, drink, vote, marry, drop out of school or even watch violent movies but we feel that they are totally ready to decide for themselves with whom they should have sex? This makes no sense.

Raising the age of sexual consent would put us more in line with other western nations. We know that in Denmark, France and Sweden the age of consent is at least 15. In Australia, Finland, Germany, Holland, Israel, New Zealand, Norway and even the United Kingdom, it is 16. It is time for the Liberals to prohibit adults from having sex with children under the age of 16.

Therefore, it is of the utmost importance, to protect our children and society from sexual predators and this heinous crime, that we raise the age from 14 to at least 16, if not 18, to keep up with the international global phenomenon that has taken place in other countries.

Moreover, that would allow us to clean up the Internet in regard to Canada being a haven for sexual predators or a haven for child sex and sexual tourism. I think it is very important that we protect our children by raising the age from 14 to 16 or 18.

Myron Thompson (Wild Rose, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, I have a quick question for the hon. member. I appreciated his words.

Bill C-20 is an omnibus bill and has many items in it that deserve some debate in committee, but to me child pornography is a no-brainer. Child pornography should be brought front and centre in the House of Commons, in my opinion, as an entity on its own, separate from the bill. Every member should come to the House and be dedicated to making certain that our children will never be subjected to the terrible evils that come out of this type of material.

Let us do that. Let us bring it forward as an entity on its own. Let us fix it and stamp it out in its entirety. Does the member agree with doing that?

Gurmant Grewal: Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for raising this issue. Most of us in the House are parents or grandparents. I am a parent of two teenagers. I know that it is our moral responsibility as lawmakers in the country to protect innocent and vulnerable children from pimps and other sexual predators.

It should be a matter of high priority for us because it will strengthen the foundation of the nation. It will strengthen the institution of the family. Those children who are abused, sexually or otherwise, do not have the opportunity to regret what their future will be, a life suffering from depression and other evils like this.

It will strengthen the institution of the family and, as I have said in the past, stronger families make stronger nations. Therefore it is very important that the fundamental principle or foundation of the country should be based on the protection of our children, who are our future leaders. We need to produce a stronger generation of children rather than a weaker generation, an abused generation. Therefore, I would like to say that as Canadians, as parliamentarians, as lawmakers, it is our responsibility to protect children.

 

 

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